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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-02-09, 00:22

This was mentioned on the local news a few days ago:

http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-server-weather-more-common-story,0,6349516.story
(watch the video)

We're supposed to have a mild climate here, and now we're getting all of these freak winter storms! (another one is coming in. 8 - 12 inches of snow. Insane for Okies. And we don't have as much road equipment as they do up north)

And in the summer we either get dumped with rain, or no rain at all. This is weird!


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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 00:26

*coughitscalledglobalwarmingandweveknownaboutitforyearsandjustbecauseamericathinksitssospecialdoesntmeanglobalwarmingdoesnteffectamericaeithercough*

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-02-09, 00:27

Ah, shut up.

It's just really hitting us like never before. Most significantly within this past decade - the present.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 00:28

*coughknowthattooyoushouldawatchedaninconvenienttruthitskindalamebutstillsemiaccurateatleastcough*

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Post by A-BIack_Man on 2011-02-09, 00:29

yeah, im sick of the extremes of summer and winter.

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Re: Climate Shift?

Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-09, 00:30

Well, this is a large part of my degree. Really, climate sceptics have screwed us up. Mainstream science should have been more vocal. So much shit could hit the fan, it's unbelievable.

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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 00:30

HEY! At least you don't live in Nova Scotia. If you lived here, that would give you 100% rights to complaining about weather

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-02-09, 00:36

Darkwing wrote:*coughknowthattooyoushouldawatchedaninconvenienttruthitskindalamebutstillsemiaccurateatleastcough*
An Inconvenient Truth? I might when I get snowed in again. So, probably tomorrow. LOL

note: Is your spacebar ceases to function when replying to my posts? muahhahahhaha....

Shemuel wrote:Well, this is a large part of my degree. Really, climate sceptics have screwed us up. Mainstream science should have been more vocal. So much shit could hit the fan, it's unbelievable.
You're getting a degree in climate fan hitting shit? Sounds like you could get some pretty fun jobs outta that.
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Re: Climate Shift?

Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 00:52

No, I just got this nasty cough, wish it would go away

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-02-09, 00:56

For about a week now, I've been teabagging you every night after you've gone to sleep.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 00:59

That's why I wake up in the morning with this wonderful flavour in my mouth

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-02-09, 01:00

Don't you just love warm milk?
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Post by Philly Homer on 2011-02-09, 01:10

Darkwing wrote:That's why I wake up in the morning with this wonderful flavour in my mouth

Well you see, I coat my testes with rock candy and... Yeah.
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Re: Climate Shift?

Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 01:17

Oh, so you guys take turns then?

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Post by Leach54 on 2011-02-09, 01:29

Its El Nino

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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 02:03

It's always El Nino. Every year they say, "oh it's an el nino year, they only happen every 7 years" and then every year, they say, "oh, it's an el nino year" so I kinda don't believe in El Nino or El Nina anymore

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Re: Climate Shift?

Post by Thingy on 2011-02-09, 03:40

(ENTER NON US CITIZEN REPLY MODE) *Cough*europehasbeenscreamingaboutitforyearsbutbecauseyoucan'tgetyourfatlardfilledassesoutofyourfuckingSUV's
we'regallgoingtobeeithersubmergedorveryfreakingcoldthanksalot*Cough*

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Re: Climate Shift?

Post by Jtull on 2011-02-09, 07:15

global warming hmmmm *looks at New Zealand* nope don't see it sorry. however if we have another 35 degree day I am moving Christchurch more south.
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-09, 09:33

El Nino is definitely real. However, El Nino events appear to be becoming more frequent and often stronger. It is not clear, but El Nina (anti- El Nino) events seem to be getting less.
Plus it's easy for global warming sceptics to use as an excuse, I suppose.
*slaps JTull*

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-09, 10:54

*coughamircaandchinawiththereheavydirtyindustryandthecan'tbearsedtodoanythingaboutitbutarewillingtomoanatothercountriesaboutitcough*

But on a plus note, britain produces enough off shore wind energy to power the whole of scotland. Doesn't spain have that giant mirror array that heats up the vat of salt or something. also i think it's holland developing alot of wind power aswell.
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-09, 11:18

We (Europe and Britain) aren't doing enough though. And this government of ours certainly isn't interested in green investment.

I'm actually very much against the use of wind turbines. They're so unreliable coal backup power stations have to be turned on and off to meet public demand. Turning coal power stations on and off is so inefficient that it would be more environmentally friendly to just rely on coal all the time.

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-09, 11:49

TBH we need more nuclear as long as we design and build the plants right, they are very green to run as long as we correctly dispose of the uranium or whatever it is they use in the cores. I personally don't see why people are so against them.

Yes i see your point about wind being unreliable, but what about wave a tidal power?
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 11:56

Oh y'know, the whole if something goes wrong, then a 400-ish mile radius becomes unlivable for the next hundred years or so

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-09, 12:13

That doesn't happen if you maintain them properly, plus they should be placed in more rural areas such as scotland, parts of wales and west coast england.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 12:24

Still doesn't deny the fact that if something does go wrong and things always go wrong. It's one thing you can be guaranteed that all humans are good at, we make mistakes, big ones, constantly

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Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-09, 15:57

I support nuclear, because it's the only non-fossil-fuel option that can provide enough energy for us.
Wave-generatable energy is almost uselessly small.
Tidal is a very good way to go, and should be exploited far more. Apart from Bay of Fundy in Canada, Britain has the largest tidal range in the world if I remember correctly. That's why the Severn barrage should have been built! Mad

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-09, 16:29



Key:
Purple: needs to be protected
Yellow: sparsley populated suitible for solar power
Green: sparsley populated suitible for nuclear
Blue: wave/tidal power
Red: geothermal energy
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Post by Galaxy-Scarface on 2011-02-09, 17:18

*coughglobalwarmingisntrealitsjustalgoreandabunchofotherfaggotstryingtoscamusoutofourmoneyandithoughtyoudidntbelievein2012andshit*
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 17:21

2012 isn't global warming. And yes, global warming does exist and yes al gore just capitalizes on it, but it doesn't change the fact that it exists, but even if all of us used fluorescent lights and ran energy efficient cars, it wouldn't ultimately help all that much. Basically, we need all the factories to shut down before any significant difference is made.

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Post by Galaxy-Scarface on 2011-02-09, 17:24

Al gore thinks 2012 is going to be caused by global warming. or at least, he tries to tell us similar things. And if every factory did shut down, the difference that occoured would be wiped out naturally in the next 15 or so years, so there's really no point; we have to be ready for anything, not just one thing.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 17:30

Well, it won't be as short as 15 years, 50 maybe, if we're lucky

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-09, 17:38

Please consult the person with A's and A*'s in chemistry, if we were to cease all co2 production today it would be about 2120-2200 before it was all scrubbed out of the atmosphere, were still putting to many CFC's into the atmosphere they turn into free radicals and destroy ozone more quickly than it can regenerate itself. Simple thing everything we touch we destroy thats the way we are.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-09, 17:43

^^ What he said

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Post by Jtull on 2011-02-09, 18:05

I tend to agree. I do not support nuclear to a extent but also like the idea of it. it is reliable and also theoretically safe the Chernobyl indecent was largely caused by a inexperienced team and miscommunication. At least that is what the Russian report said.

The energy format I think should be pushed is fusion seriously deuterium is so easy to get and tritium is made from the reaction so you don't really need that much to start with.

Global warming I remain skeptical on the CO2 reason however I do not dismiss it.
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Post by Philly Homer on 2011-02-09, 18:33

Global warming is a natural process that is aided by people and pollution. At least, that's how I see it. Quite honestly, I don't even care anymore.

I support nuclear energy. It's way cleaner than oil and fossil fuels and it has a way higher output.
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Post by Deoran Drages on 2011-02-09, 18:45

you just have to be more careful with it, that sucks never an easy solution
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Post by Vedic on 2011-02-09, 18:55

Jtull wrote:The energy format I think should be pushed is fusion seriously deuterium is so easy to get and tritium is made from the reaction so you don't really need that much to start with.

Current Fusion Technology, Consumes more Energy than it Produces, so it's not quite Usable yet.
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-09, 20:44

The best option is population reduction, of course.

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Post by Philly Homer on 2011-02-09, 21:01

Shemuel wrote:The best option is population reduction, of course.

So much agreed. Not only are there just too many people that it makes me sick, the earth can't sustain this many people. It's well documented and I think nations like India need to just slow down.
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Post by A-BIack_Man on 2011-02-09, 21:35

finding new planets to live on isn't the solution, because we'll still need food and farmland to sustain the population that continues to grow.

sad but true, we gotta reduce it. which city is first?

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Post by Jtull on 2011-02-09, 21:58

Vedic wrote:
Jtull wrote:The energy format I think should be pushed is fusion seriously deuterium is so easy to get and tritium is made from the reaction so you don't really need that much to start with.

Current Fusion Technology, Consumes more Energy than it Produces, so it's not quite Usable yet.

I have a understanding of how it works, we have not yet quite figured out how to stop the plasma from hitting the reactor walls I think they are trying to get the cryogenic magnets to work better, however magnitisum is not fully understood we need to find the force carrier for it.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-10, 01:56

Is it odd that that made sense to me? This is a sign of me having watched too much science fiction I think.

Oh and good book/movie:

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Make Room, Make Room

Movie (Based on book): Soylent Green

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Post by Thingy on 2011-02-10, 05:37

Nope, he explained it in a really simple way. All you need to know most of what he said is basic science. Like, the stuff you learned in 9th grade.

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Post by Jtull on 2011-02-10, 05:42

I could go insanely complex but its pointless cos it is honestly rather simple anyway.
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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-02-10, 08:53

Basically we need to reduce the population in the 3rd world dramatically. therefore less food is needed and reduced emmisions and resources consumed, most western countries such as france,germany, UK and parts of US have a declining population as more and more people are having only 1 child, due to money or time restrictions. Also we really need to redevelope transport and industry to make the cleaner and more sustainable, what about the new nissan leaf being rolled out we all get electric cars but we use non fossil fuels to generate that energy. Why don't we put more funding into that japenese project about sending sattilittes into orbit around the sun and wirelessly sending energy back to base stations here on earth.

I could go on for a very long time about this as i have done extensive research on the subject. A true scientist does not care about social standing, age, gender aslong as you can provide evidence of your claim they'll accept it.
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Post by Jtull on 2011-02-10, 09:14

Lee unless you can build a dyson cloud then well its useless. also wireless transmission of power is well extremely ineffitiont. work on fusion its both more plausible and easier
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-02-10, 09:17

leewatson1 wrote:I could go on for a very long time about this as i have done extensive research on the subject. A true scientist does not care about social standing, age, gender aslong as you can provide evidence of your claim they'll accept it.
No, you're too young and have no degree, letalone a PhD. It also takes years of good research in mediocre journals to get a chance to publish in a journal with a decent readership.
(Oh BTW, if they do accept your claim, it's probably only going to be a hypothesis, not even a theory.

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Post by Jtull on 2011-02-10, 09:28

dude I have studied alot of science heck my sister has a degree in biology and she would never even think about putting forward a paper solely academically. Really to put a idea forward with any kind of weight behind it you need either proof of concept or a masters degree.

Sorry to burst you bubble but your idea is just that an idea. I have ideas on space time but I would never be able to publish them in any place other than this forum really.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-02-10, 12:54

leewatson1 wrote:Basically we need to reduce the population in the 3rd world dramatically.

sorry, I tuned out after the blatant discrimination

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Post by Thingy on 2011-02-10, 13:13

Nah, he's right, the third world (India, China and all those other guys) have been popping out babies like crazy. The next generation has to learn that one or two kids is enough.

If he meant let's kill a bunch of people (which i don't think is what he meant), then he's a fucking idiot, and that's all.

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