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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 06:00

I recently watched a talk all about the fact that apparently women are taking over men. This honestly bugs me on a number of levels.

They are still going on about the fact they want the same rights as men.

They are changing family dynamics in the fact they expect the man to take care of the kids more

It is my personal opinion the Women have their place and Men have theirs, neither is more important than the other however Men can not do what Women do ( eg. raise children and take care of people and provide the more gentle support children need) I am however not saying that Men can not do these things simply saying Men in general are not as good at it.

Now I am all for Women having the same rights as Men, however if you want the same rights then you get the same punishments in law and the fact that if a Man assaults a Women then since even rights then the sentence should not be greater.

It is also my opinion that unless a Woman is prepared to die for her family in a war then they are in no way entitled to be the head of the family.

I am a believer in the roles of the Male and the Female I say respect the roles but live the way that makes you happy.

Discuss

P.S please do not attack me or anyone else on their position this is a discussion not a fight to the death.

P.P.S I am in no way intending sexism in my statements.

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All statements are not my final or permanent opinion on this subject and the opinion may vary
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-01-02, 06:06

"It is also my opinion that unless a Woman is prepared to die for her family in a war then they are in no way entitled to be the head of the family."

Are all men prepared to die? I'm sure there are many who are not.

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-02, 06:08

Welp, I believe in the family arrangement as outlined in the bible. Everyone in their right place thing. Treat your wife as your own flesh, yeah.

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Now, so people have a cow when I put women "lower" than men on the family hierarchy.

But whoever said lowliness was a bad thing? After all, as head of a household, biblically speaking, has a head also, Christ. (look at my thingy ^)

So, in the Christian family arrangement we all have someone to follow. I personally believe that Women and Men were designed for these positions, and function best in them.

Now, that doesn't mean I believe in the chauvinistic crap that has been interjected into a lot of "modern" family structure.

I think that stuff is just stupid. "Get me a beer" < Can you walk? GET YOUR OWN FREAKING BEER AND LEAVE YOUR WIFE ALONE!

No, there's nothing wrong with your wife getting you a beer, but it's just the that you're being a lazy bum about it. That's why you should get a kick in the pants.

Also, this biblical family arrangement thing doesn't mean that the Man should pull that "I'm the man of the house and I say we do this!" :archetypical chauvinist man stomps off to his TV chair of awesome: Yes, when it comes to making decisions the man gets final say. But, that doesn't mean he can't not talk it over with his wife, and LISTEN to and CONSIDER her line of reasoning.

Husbands nowadays are typically bum holes with no respect for their wife, and therefore God's family arrangement. They've become exceedingly self-centered, and I suppose it goes the same for wives. It's all so broken. It seems that no one shows true respect to their family members like they should. Heck, my family tries, and we're still screwed up.

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Bummed about not being equal to men?

1. Ok, yes, the job situation sucks. Sorry about that. Nothing I can do.

2. Equality in marriage? You say that, but you really just want him to listen to you. I'm right? Yes? I knew it...






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Re: Women Vs Men

Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 06:41

DJ I agree entirely, however did not want to put it in my original post since it seemed anti the point of discussion. However I agree with you to the point that myself and my girlfriend have agreed that if we do eventually get married (don't worry no plans as such) we would have our family under those lines.
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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-02, 06:43

Here, I modded it. Re-read.

And the family hierarchy is relevant, because we're talking about women and men's rights. That has everything to do with that...
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Re: Women Vs Men

Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 06:50

I still agree with what you have to say. also if anyone mistreats a girl I will track you down and tell you off jtull style.

anyway, family is hugely important and having a man as the head is important for the male children so they don't grow up feeling small, girls should learn that they are not smaller than men but only different and hold a different role.
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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-02, 06:56

I agree completely.

You're going to be a great daddy some day! cheers

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 07:07

haha really?

sadly most people think my kids will not like me that much, probably because I will be a pastor.
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Post by Vedic on 2011-01-02, 07:12

I agree with equal rights, but Man and Woman have there Places in life, Rebels should be put down.
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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 07:18

yea if they want the same rights then they can have them but they dont seem to want what comes with them
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-01-02, 08:43

Gahhh. DJ, as soon as I 'like' your comment, you go and radically edit it.
The woman should not have to be subordinate to the man. If she wants to, fine. I f he wants to be subordinate to her, then fine.

The subordinance to men thing is something that we as men have built up cuz we hav moar muscle.
eg, Caveman want sex. Cavewoman no want sex. Caveman rape woman.

The same thing applied with countries - the right of the big country to ride roughshod over the small country (see colonialism).

But we now know that the use of force is not good.


Women used to be thought of as intellectually inferior to men. But they tended not to have much education and were discouraged from thoughts higher than homerearing - a level playing field?
Now it's clear men and women are pretty similar in terms of brain power, if anything men are the lesser. Should we then leave all the top jobs to women instead of trying to block them out?


That was my view from an atheistic standpoint. True, religious freedom is neccessary, and everyone's welcome to their own beliefs. However, we should live under a secular government (not sure if that's entirely true in the USA) which has a duty to its citizens.
A cynic in me would say it was male priests who wrote the bible, though.

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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-02, 13:34

On the note of religiousness, I would like to point out that the Bible does in fact hold the women above men and in fact places the responsibility of treating women properly and better than themselves. The term leadership has been misconstrued over the ages. A leader is generally humble, placing the needs of others before themselves. As the Bible says, the man should be willing to die for the woman. Today, we take leadership as to mean that you are the forceful hand of the law, that your judgement and demands are met (ie DJ's beer example). Remember, in a lot of ways, the leader is the lesser of the people, the last in line.
As for me, I dunno, I don't know what I believe, so I guess for me, it's easy. If I don't get married, it's not something I have to worry about

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Re: Women Vs Men

Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-02, 16:49

Shemuel wrote:Gahhh. DJ, as soon as I 'like' your comment, you go and radically edit it.
The woman should not have to be subordinate to the man. If she wants to, fine. I f he wants to be subordinate to her, then fine.

The subordinance to men thing is something that we as men have built up cuz we hav moar muscle.
eg, Caveman want sex. Cavewoman no want sex. Caveman rape woman.

The same thing applied with countries - the right of the big country to ride roughshod over the small country (see colonialism).

But we now know that the use of force is not good.


Women used to be thought of as intellectually inferior to men. But they tended not to have much education and were discouraged from thoughts higher than homerearing - a level playing field?
Now it's clear men and women are pretty similar in terms of brain power, if anything men are the lesser. Should we then leave all the top jobs to women instead of trying to block them out?


That was my view from an atheistic standpoint. True, religious freedom is neccessary, and everyone's welcome to their own beliefs. However, we should live under a secular government (not sure if that's entirely true in the USA) which has a duty to its citizens.
A cynic in me would say it was male priests who wrote the bible, though.
I totally agree about mental capacity. Women are just as smart as men, but both sexes tend to exceed in different areas.

Darkwing wrote:On the note of religiousness, I would like to point out that the Bible does in fact hold the women above men and in fact places the responsibility of treating women properly and better than themselves. The term leadership has been misconstrued over the ages. A leader is generally humble, placing the needs of others before themselves. As the Bible says, the man should be willing to die for the woman. Today, we take leadership as to mean that you are the forceful hand of the law, that your judgement and demands are met (ie DJ's beer example). Remember, in a lot of ways, the leader is the lesser of the people, the last in line.
As for me, I dunno, I don't know what I believe, so I guess for me, it's easy. If I don't get married, it's not something I have to worry about
Yes! We just went over this a few months ago! You're right.

Lowliness is actually better, in a different way. For example, when the bible refers to women as the "weaker vessel", it also mentions how their lowliness can actually win over their husbands. Heck, it even says that if you don't treat your wife right that your prayers could be hindered.

And another thing, when it comes to my people, there's actually more women in the door to door ministry than men. (mostly because their husbands are the primary breadwinners. But, that's actually changing with the recession. Strange ay?) Yes, the men still take the lead, but as the bible says "The Lord gives instructions. The women who announce the good news are a large army." (Psalms 68:11) LOL

It's interesting how many different ways that scripture is translated, but that one was my favorite. Haha (God's Word Translation)

Yes, ze womens are pretty neat human beings. Society does a good job of dumbing a lot of them down. But, every once in a while you can find a really cool one.

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Re: Women Vs Men

Post by rrps700 on 2011-01-02, 18:26

I personaly say let them if they want to take over see how long before they complain about having nothing to do or to much to do i bet 3 seconds 5ms 0.1ns
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-02, 18:27

Accurate much?

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Post by rrps700 on 2011-01-02, 18:33

nope its like an eternity for an android.
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-01-02, 18:55

Now, I'll do this... slowly...

Are you... an android? ...No?

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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-01-02, 18:56

Are you unaccuratly quoting star trek? ...yes!
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Post by Shemuel on 2011-01-02, 18:59

I wasn't intending to.

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Re: Women Vs Men

Post by Jtull on 2011-01-02, 20:02

@Darkjedi @Darkwing servant leadership is the best kind. In terms of relationship between men and women here is where things can get tricky, if both husband and wife want to be the head of the house then nothing is going to get done in most cases for the same reason you do not have two prime ministers or two heads of state. Also if a women takes over what the man usually does in the family it will cause the man to have a inferiority complex and well you can imagine what would happen then. I think when it comes to the relationship between sexes if there is not some sort of guideline set out then things can get messy very quickly.
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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-03, 01:55

Of course, you're right.

Dang it, we need women here to argue with us!

(I can't believe I just asked for that)
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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-03, 01:59

yea we do need a girl to comment on this. though not one of those annoying bra burning feminists. I really do not like them, they are extremists and more hate men than anything else.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-03, 02:10

If I burn my underwear, does that make me a masculinist?

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-03, 02:14

no it makes you someone who wastes perfectly good undies!
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Post by jls1233 on 2011-01-03, 06:19

Well this wouldn't be a proper discussion without a woman would it??
So here i am!

I think yes typically the woman does all the gentle caring stuff for their kids and house chores and the men bring in the main source of income and so on...

But i think a person should not be assigned to a certain role because of their gender either. If the guy wants to be the stay at home dad then why not? and if the Woman wants to bring in the main source of income then that's ok too! I say that people should be able to do what they want to do as long as they are in agreement with their partner on the way things are to run.

If women have a problem with their place in the family then they should take it up with their husband so the problem can be resolved, not with the rest of the world.

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-03, 06:25

Totaly agree! I never like people who try and force their ideas on how family's or people should live their lives.

Your a clever girl... Just make sure DJ does not hit on you he is very scary.
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Post by Genix Warrior on 2011-01-03, 12:56

Well, I have been gone a long time but all of tis has made me think of all the sexism in the world and why it exists, but to be honest everyone is correct here, I think the man and woman have always been equel but just never embraced the idea of both working together as equels, we are all human so we might as well work together at one goal, it's like saying if we don't then the world will end.
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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-01-03, 13:17

I think women should go make me god damn sammich!
I think men should go make me a god damn Sammich!

I treat everyone the same like absaloute shit as i have learnt people well there people!
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Post by Genix Warrior on 2011-01-03, 15:39

Well has the saying, "Treat others as you would want them to treat you" ever occured to you?
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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-01-03, 16:34

Yes i have, and people treated me like shit first so i gave up and who is that in your profile pic?
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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-03, 16:43

Jtull wrote:Totaly agree! I never like people who try and force their ideas on how family's or people should live their lives.

Your a clever girl... Just make sure DJ does not hit on you he is very scary.
What? I'm not scary. I'm terrifying! Anywho, I've given up on the idea of internet relationships. (had a bad experience...)

Yeah, and I don't need a GF right now. Still cooling down from my last relationship.

And... could we get an IP check on this "chick"? DW?


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Post by leewatson1 on 2011-01-03, 17:13

i believe some shnooping is in order (yes the h is there for a reason)
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Post by JPB18 on 2011-01-03, 17:15

Darkjedi wrote:
Jtull wrote:Totaly agree! I never like people who try and force their ideas on how family's or people should live their lives.

Your a clever girl... Just make sure DJ does not hit on you he is very scary.
What? I'm not scary. I'm terrifying! Anywho, I've given up on the idea of internet relationships. (had a bad experience...)

Yeah, and I don't need a GF right now. Still cooling down from my last relationship.

And... could we get an IP check on this "chick"? DW?



I actually agree... last experience was... How do I say... Unpleaseant...

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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-03, 17:48

LOL to say the least.

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-03, 19:01

DJ yea that 'bad experience' was pretty bad DJ here have a cookie
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Post by jls1233 on 2011-01-03, 22:19

I am a girl, ask Jtull =P
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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-04, 00:39

You know that he secretly wants to marry you, right?
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 01:43

Darkjedi wrote:
Jtull wrote:Totaly agree! I never like people who try and force their ideas on how family's or people should live their lives.

Your a clever girl... Just make sure DJ does not hit on you he is very scary.
What? I'm not scary. I'm terrifying! Anywho, I've given up on the idea of internet relationships. (had a bad experience...)

Yeah, and I don't need a GF right now. Still cooling down from my last relationship.

And... could we get an IP check on this "chick"? DW?



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Post by Darkjedi on 2011-01-04, 01:52

LOL, just making sure.

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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 01:54

Maybe I'd be more sociable if I wasn't always assuming the worst of people...well, I have very little evidence to make me think the opposite, so guess worse it is Very Happy

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-04, 02:02

Darkjedi wrote:You know that he secretly wants to marry you, right?

how did you know that DJ?!
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 02:06

Oh perhaps the talking about her

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-04, 02:06

what do you mean by that?
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 02:09

You have talked about her I'm sure, or someone at least that your heart is set on

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-04, 02:13

heh perhaps. I am not marriage crazed.
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Post by Philly Homer on 2011-01-04, 02:18

That's kinda a good thing, bro. You're like 17. Go live life, don't even have marriage cross your mind.
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 02:21

Yeah, don't be like the girl I know who already has the "perfect" life and she's not even graduated high school. She's engaged to a strong military man with money and they've already bought a house in Ontario which is fairly nice from what I hear and he gives her very expensive rings and stuff for presents.

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-04, 02:22

umm I am more like 18 and I having been dating for closer to a year and a half so yea it crosses my mind
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Post by Darkwing on 2011-01-04, 02:24

I'm 20 and I haven't been dating. Ever. Just thought I'd throw that in there Razz

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Post by Jtull on 2011-01-04, 02:34

haha but your DW your the amazing single guy that we all love.
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