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Post by rrps700 on 2010-07-20, 09:42

The world is mess up there are so many wars so i propose we sit down and write possable solutions or other ideas on life.

"Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today."
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Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-20, 12:40

Please do start, rrps. I'm in a nitpicky mood.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-20, 13:04

Feeling snarky today Shem?
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Thingy on 2010-07-20, 20:57

The real reason the world is messed up is because of the things that inhabit it, people. People are, by nature, selfish. And it's this selfishness that has lead to a pretty big chunk of the world's problems.

There's not really a way to fix this except through forcing evolution down a path that would change human nature... And that's not going to happen, ever.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-20, 23:43

that sounded almost Christian there Thingy

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Post by Thingy on 2010-07-20, 23:45

How did it sound christian?

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-20, 23:46

well, basically the concept of humans being selfish (ie sinful) and the fact that there is no solution for it through ourselves.

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-20, 23:50

Except in the Christian view humans, by nature, are actually NOT selfish and greedy.
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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-20, 23:53

well, my version says we are. think about this, it is said sin entered the world after Adam ate the fruit. However, Adama knew not to eat from the fruit beforehand anyways, so even contemplating eating it is in fact a sin if you think about it, because he was thinking about essentially breaking on of God's rules and this would have been based on greed and selfishness because he wanted the power of God essentially.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Thingy on 2010-07-21, 00:07

Adama doesn't eat fruit, he only eats RAW CYLON MEAT, that's how he keeps his awesomeness.

...Sorry, had to do it.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-21, 00:08

heh, BSG is also a very Christian show, much more than anything mainstream that I've ever seen

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Post by Thingy on 2010-07-21, 00:11

Pretty big BSG spoiler below
Spoiler:

Not neccesarily... You never knew wether it was the colonial pantheon or the cylon god that made all that stuff happen. It was just some kind of divine power.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-21, 00:12

read the BSG notes and RDM basically states outright that it was God

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by leewatson1 on 2010-07-21, 04:41

1+1 always equal 2 ecept when it equals 3
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-21, 05:59

Darkwing wrote:well, my version says we are. think about this, it is said sin entered the world after Adam ate the fruit. However, Adama knew not to eat from the fruit beforehand anyways, so even contemplating eating it is in fact a sin if you think about it, because he was thinking about essentially breaking on of God's rules and this would have been based on greed and selfishness because he wanted the power of God essentially.

DW, you are some fragment of Calvinism, I think. So not mainstream. However, I must ask whether you believe the Garden of Eden story is true or just a metaphor?

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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-21, 11:31

little of both really. and yes, I'm not quite reformist, not quite calvinist, not quite baptists, but sort of a mix of them all Smile See Calvinism in its purist form does have its own flaws right because it can come down very strict on stuff that doesn't need to be that strict. It's a bizarre mix, but unlike most of the other denominations of Christianity which are now more based on getting numbers and doing therapy sessions and not really teaching that God is angry with us, my denomination is based on the Bible! (Who would have thought, a denomination of Christianity based on the Bible!)

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-21, 12:55

DW wrote:My belief is the best

Hmm. When did you last go to church, and who defines your denomination?

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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-21, 12:58

I think I was 8 when I last went to Church. And I guess technically the Presbyterians are closest to my beliefs, except they have infant baptism Mad

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Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-21, 13:01

So is it your dad who has broken away from the Presbyterians, then?

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Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-21, 13:05

Oh, and by the way, being Presbyterian makes you even more Scottish.

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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-21, 13:14

Shemuel wrote:So is it your dad who has broken away from the Presbyterians, then?

Dad was originally Baptist. We never went to the Presbyterians, but we know the Pastor of one Church plus research. Sadly, in Nova Scotia, there isn't much for choice around here. It's Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Presbyterian and Nazarene

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Post by Galaxy-Scarface on 2010-07-22, 21:01

Darkwing wrote:I think I was 8 when I last went to Church. And I guess technically the Presbyterians are closest to my beliefs, except they have infant baptism Mad
its not required. im Presbyterian, and i never got baptized.

(what? GS made a religious post!?!)
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-22, 21:03

well, the Presbyterians here believe in infant baptism

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by killerflood on 2010-07-22, 21:32

I've grown up Methodist but have created my own views along the way.

My belief basically put is that God created the universe through science, and manipulates it if He needs to by the rules of science.
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Thingy on 2010-07-22, 21:54

I'm atheist, just plain atheist.

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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Earthdeath on 2010-07-22, 22:01

I'm atheist too, for many reasons.
You aren't likely to convince me otherwise.
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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-22, 22:09

killerflood wrote:My belief basically put is that God created the universe through science, and manipulates it if He needs to by the rules of science.

I used to think like that but now I realize that however God may have done it, it's just that he created everything that matters and science doesn't matter. What's the point of faith if science is there just so you can comfort yourself? You either believe or you don't, science notwithstanding. Plus, why would he need to abide by the rules of science? He exists completely independently of nature.

According to the faith anyways. I'm not really Christian anymore so I don't need to agonize over those little things.
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Post by JPB18 on 2010-07-22, 22:11

I'm agnostic, so... don't expect me to have much more of a talk, but alka...

If KF is right, maybe the laws of science are His laws? Never considered that?

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-22, 22:14

Obviously because he created science. But he sure doesn't abide by them all the time. God does whatever he wants, by or not by the laws of science.
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Post by JPB18 on 2010-07-22, 22:27

But lets say... Wouldn't you follow your own rules?

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-22, 22:40

I would, depending on the situation.
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Post by JPB18 on 2010-07-22, 22:44

I wouldn't... It's a matter of principle you know?

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-22, 22:59

Wait, you would not follow your own rules as a matter of principle?
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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-22, 23:02

ok, I'm starting to get confused, so let's pick an easy example, it being time. God invented time and we have to abide by the rules of time (at least so far, no idea if time travel is possible or whatnot). God doesn't exactly follow the rules of time as he exists outside of time. He does in a manner of speaking also exist within time as well, but the passage of time means nothing to him as it in effect doesn't exist for him. At least that's the impression you get from the Bible

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-22, 23:05

The one day is a thousand for him and vice versa. It's so confusing.
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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-22, 23:06

Indeed. I'm content to stick with the notion of never understanding so don't bother trying Smile

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Post by JPB18 on 2010-07-22, 23:34

Philly Homer wrote:Wait, you would not follow your own rules as a matter of principle?

Sorry was thinking on another thing XD


Yes I would... as a matter of principle...

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Post by killerflood on 2010-07-22, 23:42

Meh, what do we know, we're mortals.
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by Shemuel on 2010-07-23, 07:47

We know we have two huge infinities sandwiching a very finite period of life.

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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-23, 11:08

thank you Shem, I just woke u and already my brain hurts Smile

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Post by JPB18 on 2010-07-23, 11:11

You wake up pretty early compared to me Very Happy I also just wake up now and I'm 5 hours ahead of you...

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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-23, 15:39

Shemuel wrote:We know we have two huge infinities sandwiching a very finite period of life.

Mmm... sandwiches...
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Post by Earthdeath on 2010-07-23, 15:56

I knew someone would say that.
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Re: Philosophers corner

Post by rrps700 on 2010-07-23, 16:05

life is like a dessert when you make a bad decision the taste is bad but when you make a good decision the taste is better and make to nice it will be horrible due to too much attacking your taste buds.
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Post by Philly Homer on 2010-07-23, 18:12

rrps700 wrote:make to nice it will be horrible due to too much attacking your taste buds.

Incohesion and wtfdoesthatmean aside...

No such thing as too much of a good thing, in food anyways.
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Post by Deoran Drages on 2010-07-23, 19:46

Darkwing wrote:ok, I'm starting to get confused, so let's pick an easy example, it being time. God invented time and we have to abide by the rules of time (at least so far, no idea if time travel is possible or whatnot). God doesn't exactly follow the rules of time as he exists outside of time. He does in a manner of speaking also exist within time as well, but the passage of time means nothing to him as it in effect doesn't exist for him. At least that's the impression you get from the Bible

in islam we believe that god is separate from anything that limits humans including our concept of time, to him the concept is incomprehensible to us because we are simply human, so basically this impression from the bible is similar to what we believe. As for the story of Adam and the fruit from earlier on I don't know about the biblical version but in the qur'an it is said that satan whispered to Adam and Eve to eat from the tree after god warned them not to, when they succumbed to his whispering, the grew private parts and god found out what they had done and cast them on earth so that only the worthy among them would make it back to heaven... well thats my understanding but im no sheikh so..
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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-24, 01:52

well, here's what happened, Satan basically poised the question to Eve "what's God holding back from you" soe she ate from the fruit (due note that this is not the cause of Sin, important theological point right there) she then goes to Adam sayin "yo homey, dis da best damned fruit eva!" so Adam eats it and then everything goes to hell...literally

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Post by rrps700 on 2010-07-26, 08:49

Philly Homer wrote:
rrps700 wrote:make to nice it will be horrible due to too much attacking your taste buds.

Incohesion and wtfdoesthatmean aside...

No such thing as too much of a good thing, in food anyways.
It means if you care to much about your life it will go wrong.
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Post by Deoran Drages on 2010-07-26, 18:58

so we go with the flow?
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Post by Darkwing on 2010-07-26, 19:13

or commit suicide

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